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Comments on: OFF THE WALL: Disapproval from a Fake Journalist https://mikerowe.zestsms.com/2014/09/disapproval-from-a-fake-journalist/ Mon, 06 Apr 2015 00:18:37 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.2.9 By: Jeanine https://mikerowe.zestsms.com/2014/09/disapproval-from-a-fake-journalist/#comment-3406 Fri, 03 Oct 2014 00:19:00 +0000 http://profoundlydisconnected.com/?p=79732#comment-3406 ) doesn't care about what Paul cares about. It sounds kind of lame to me too. But he was trying to be provocative - and it worked, in its way. I doubt The Jacboin has ever had quite so many hits since Mike's response and ensuing reddit conversation. But I feel you're being more than a little naive in suggesting Rowe's position is one of non-interventionism or individual decisions. He is on the payroll of companies like Wal Mart and Caterpillar that have huge lobbying efforts. Each of them have used their millions to rewrite federal and state legislation is ways that benefit giant multi-national corporations at the expense of the individual workers and small businesses. Of course his public persona is "simple information" and bromides like "work is good" -- PR is his business. Meanwhile, the people writing his checks quietly make the massive changes in world you claim to be worried about.]]> In reply to Matchstick.

I agree with you that it is a weak argument of Paul’s to ask why Mike Rowe (Works ™) doesn’t care about what Paul cares about. It sounds kind of lame to me too. But he was trying to be provocative – and it worked, in its way. I doubt The Jacboin has ever had quite so many hits since Mike’s response and ensuing reddit conversation.

But I feel you’re being more than a little naive in suggesting Rowe’s position is one of non-interventionism or individual decisions. He is on the payroll of companies like Wal Mart and Caterpillar that have huge lobbying efforts. Each of them have used their millions to rewrite federal and state legislation is ways that benefit giant multi-national corporations at the expense of the individual workers and small businesses. Of course his public persona is “simple information” and bromides like “work is good” — PR is his business. Meanwhile, the people writing his checks quietly make the massive changes in world you claim to be worried about.

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By: Matchstick https://mikerowe.zestsms.com/2014/09/disapproval-from-a-fake-journalist/#comment-3405 Thu, 02 Oct 2014 06:21:00 +0000 http://profoundlydisconnected.com/?p=79732#comment-3405 The essential point of Ari Paul’s piece, and his essential failing, is that Mike Rowe does not call for global, forced change from above, and instead simply states that work is good. These two ideas aren’t even in opposition to each other, so the argument sounds to my ears like “Why don’t you just care about what I care about, and use whatever influence YOU have in promotion of MY agenda?” Subtextually, I can’t help but notice that while Paul wants massive global change, he never defines from where his right to make such massive change derives. Mike Rowe makes no call for anyone to do anything against their will, asks for no interventionist policies, he simply attempts to inform and assist individuals to make a change in how they pursue their own life and work decisions. You don’t need to justify change in your own life, it belongs to you, but if you intend to change the world, you darn well better justify the games you want to play with other people’s lives.

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By: jerseygma https://mikerowe.zestsms.com/2014/09/disapproval-from-a-fake-journalist/#comment-3404 Tue, 30 Sep 2014 19:06:00 +0000 http://profoundlydisconnected.com/?p=79732#comment-3404 In reply to Jeanine.

Does it not strike you that Ari Paul, a person who I am sure would claim to be against prejudice or discrimination of any kind, refers to a whole group of people as “the working CLASS,” who seem to need public housing and other benefits provided to them by the state in order to survive? I don’t get the impression that he includes himself in that “class”; what “class” does he belong to? The “managing class”? The “ruling class”? Or maybe the “party class”? Remember, everyone is equal; but some are more equal than others. (George Orwell)

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By: That_Guy https://mikerowe.zestsms.com/2014/09/disapproval-from-a-fake-journalist/#comment-3403 Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:29:00 +0000 http://profoundlydisconnected.com/?p=79732#comment-3403 In reply to menotyou.

Jeanine,
Mike Rowe’s rebuttal of this piece is absolutely nothing if not fair and measured. I believe the problem here (in your mind) is that someone corrected one of the “liberal elite” and pointed out that they were wrong.
This gentle fisking of the article that specifically called out false faults of Mike Rowe by some socialist wag is nothing but well mannered and well spoken and polite discourse.
You are a small child angry because someone more intelligent and more reasonable simply proved someone you identify with, someone in your clique, to be false on many levels.

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By: ConChriMother https://mikerowe.zestsms.com/2014/09/disapproval-from-a-fake-journalist/#comment-3402 Mon, 29 Sep 2014 03:04:00 +0000 http://profoundlydisconnected.com/?p=79732#comment-3402 In reply to Jeanine.

Pretty much my own thoughts. enrian!

Mike answered Mr. Paul’s editorial in much the way I would expect he might in person (given what I have seen, read, and heard from him). In my opinion, this not only makes it an insightful read, but also an honest one, instead of the usual cowardice of anonymous “drive-by nastiness.” Such comments have become so commonplace as to be acceptable by many (the sad state of this country… smh).
Please consider this: the editorial to which he was responding is no better than a lengthy “zone of name-calling and drive-by nastiness” – a comment on Mike’s website, and on him personally – albeit posted conveniently elsewhere, and not anonymously.

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By: enrian https://mikerowe.zestsms.com/2014/09/disapproval-from-a-fake-journalist/#comment-3401 Sun, 28 Sep 2014 22:05:00 +0000 http://profoundlydisconnected.com/?p=79732#comment-3401 In reply to Jeanine.

I also disagree with you Jeanine. Not everyone believes “well-known public figures” should ignore people you seem to consider either unworthy of attention (Mr. Paul) or too important to treat lightly (Dr. Boushey.)

I appreciate the humor and civility of Mr. Rowe’s response and your calling him a bully makes you sound small and mean.

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By: Jeanine https://mikerowe.zestsms.com/2014/09/disapproval-from-a-fake-journalist/#comment-3400 Sun, 28 Sep 2014 13:52:00 +0000 http://profoundlydisconnected.com/?p=79732#comment-3400 In reply to menotyou.

You’re right – I don’t spend a lot of time reading comments on websites anymore. I used to. I got my first email address and joined Usenet groups in 1989. I posted my first question to Mike Rowe in the Dirty Jobs Mud Room board way back in 2007 (so, maybe you’re a bit off-base about my lack of research?) But whatever. Lately, I find web comments in general to be kind of an ugly zone of name-calling and drive-by nastiness.

And I guess that’s my main point. Mike’s post wasn’t an anonymous comment on a web board (where nastiness is expected) — it was authored primary content by a well-known public figure on the website of his 501c3 non-profit organization. An organization that has donors, a board, and a mission that is fundamentally worthwhile. Mr. Rowe, in allowing his temper to “punch down” at a small-time publication and an economist who just happened to provide a quote winds up, to my mind (having worked in non-profits a decent amount), causing more problems than he solves and looking like kind of a bully. He kind of does this a lot; it’s been pretty well-noted. Why bring negative press to your organization?

And I appreciate that you “as a woman” see nothing sexist in his remarks. I (as a woman) disagree. We can do that – God bless America! 🙂

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By: menotyou https://mikerowe.zestsms.com/2014/09/disapproval-from-a-fake-journalist/#comment-3399 Sun, 28 Sep 2014 01:11:00 +0000 http://profoundlydisconnected.com/?p=79732#comment-3399 In reply to Jeanine.

Seriously? If you think this rebuttal to an opinion piece is nasty, you must not spend too much time reading comments on any website. I am female and have worked in male dominated positions the majority of my adult life and let me tell you: this piece was NOT sexist nor misogynistic in any way, shape or form. Looks like you missed it when Mr. Rowe used the pronoun “she” instead of the oft used “he” when describing a worker, and I’m NOT referring to his answer regarding the economist. If this opinion piece really set you off, I’d hate to see what you have to say about real cases of sexism, misogyny, bullying etc. You obviously haven’t done any research regarding Mr. Rowe, or at the very least, his public persona. If you had you wouldn’t have written what you did in your comment. I am speaking as a female and only for myself as a woman: please don’t invent or see problems that aren’t there. You are not helping our gender at all if you are going to holler “sexism” at every turn and it pulls attention away from the REAL problems women face in our society. Yes, sexism is REAL and misogyny is REAL and sexual harassment is REAL but it certainly doesn’t come from Mr. Rowe.

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By: James Sullivan https://mikerowe.zestsms.com/2014/09/disapproval-from-a-fake-journalist/#comment-3398 Sun, 14 Sep 2014 16:27:00 +0000 http://profoundlydisconnected.com/?p=79732#comment-3398 In reply to Jeanine.

Low blows? Really? Did you even read it?

It was a good fisking, and as respectful (more so actually, given the accusations made) as the piece it answers.

And you even managed to squeeze in the sexism card. I’m not impressed.

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By: Jeanine https://mikerowe.zestsms.com/2014/09/disapproval-from-a-fake-journalist/#comment-3397 Wed, 10 Sep 2014 13:45:00 +0000 http://profoundlydisconnected.com/?p=79732#comment-3397 There are definitely problems with the Jacobin piece, but for every fair criticism you make, Mike, you lob a bunch of low blows and wind up coming across as an insufferable bully. I’ve read (and argued with) you online for years….and the nastiness is getting worse. Repeatedly referring to the cited economist, Dr. Heather Boushey (bio is here: http://www.americanprogress.org/about/staff/boushey-heather/bio/) by her first name, and the “Heather the Economist?” bit was particularly awful. Would you do that with Dr. Walter Boushey? Or Dr. Richard Boushey? Somehow I doubt it. It’s a female name (and a perhaps a particularly girlish one) so you used it as a rhetorical club to discredit her and go for cheap sexist laughs.

It’s all truly sad when there is a great conversation to be had on these topics, but you can’t seem to resist cheap shots to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

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